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TUAW Calls Apple Out. Snowball Fight Started in Hell.Mike Schramm over at TUAW (who we usually love to tease about being unapologetic Apple fanbois) posted a great article pointing out how Apple has enraged a large part of its once loyal fanbase with its recent actions. Originally inspired by another (usually pro-Apple Macworld) article, TUAW calls for Apple to stop its current path. Although it has made attempts to heal the wounds, Apple's offerings have been measly:
Hard to argue Apple's side on this - which Schramm rightfully points out. He then points an appeal to Apple to wise up but doesn't say how...don't worry TUAW and Macworld, 9to5Mac is not about problems, it is about solutions....
The reason why Apple fans like us are upset is because we buy Apple products for what they bring to us on a holistic level. We happily pay $129 for an operating sytem upgrade because it has better features. It is a fair give and take. There is no lock in..we are free to do what we decide. We don't have to deal with CALs. We don't want DRM. We don't have viruses, spyware or malware. We don't like Genuine Advantage checking up on us every 10 minutes to see if we're behaving. We have a trusting relationship with our devices and the vendor (Apple). The iPod was the same. We can put our MP3s and old CDs on there. We can put iTunes stuff on there. Even Windows users are invited to the party - and Linux - sort of. It is the customer's decision. We could even throw Linux on the iPod if we pleased. No bricky bricky from Apple. Along comes the iPhone/Touch and the game totally changes. We can use only one ISP (carrier). The iPod touch doesn't have 1/2 of the Apps that it should (Offline email, notes, editable calendar maps etc.). When people figured out how to put the iPhone on their carrier, Apple bricked their devices. We realize that most iPhone users won't ever want to put games, their own ringtones or 3rd party apps on their devices. They are happy with the awesome music and web browsing experience alone. We also realize it is human nature to argue an issue to your point of view - therefore a lot of people within AT&T's coverage range are content with Apple's software offering and are naturally taking up Apple's side on 1 ISP and closed development choices. If they could see out of their fishbowl, they'd realize that it is a bigger issue. If Apple only offered their devices to Europeans on a single network, these same people would be the ones most enraged. We all know this by now. The term Stockholm Syndrome is thrown about to describe their defending the lock-in....but we need to get back to the point here... Computing devices are very important. We technologists deserve the best. It's like the mattress salesmen says: You can justify spending a lot more for a bed because you spend 1/3 of your life using it. Computing devices are the same. We fortunately or unfortunately spend a lot of time on our Apple devices and have a strong relationship with them. Apple knows this. That is why most of their consumer products are "i"This and "i"That. It is about identifying the relationship. Apple has started to taint the personal relationship in a big way. We (9to5mac, TUAW-Schramm, MacWorld/Dan Moren, Brian Lam/Gizmodo, the rest of the Technology Media) are asking Apple to please reverse your course. It isn't too late and can be much more lucrative in the long run. We know you've been working with communications and recording industry monopolists for a few years now and their business models are tempting. But.. It just isn't who you are, Apple. Not to us anyway. Whatever short-term financial gains can be made by partnering with/becoming monopolists at the expense of disenfranchising a big chunk of your customers, in the long term will do far more to tarnish Apple's most important asset, the Apple brand.
Oh BTW, because some of the more absurd comment fights that have been happening recently on 9to5mac, we've had to start administering comments. If you don't have anything to bring to the conversation and just want to diss us or another commenter - or use derogatory terms - don't bother it won't make it to the page. We can handle criticism but you better bring some sort of evidence/relevant data to the table. Otherwise, you are just wasting everyone's time. At some point we'll have an automated comments rating system like Digg.... Don't like that? Welcome to OUR closed Ecosystem - we've modeled it on the iPhone :D ( Filed Under: )
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Apple has been ignoring the
Apple has been ignoring the Linux community for years. We always knew this was coming. The only reason Apple was plying nice was because it had to to get customers. Now that it has a large market share it is behaving how companies behave.
It would not surprise me if Apple started searching their devices for media not purchased from iTunes and started disabling it. It is the next logical step
Welcome Apple people to the
Welcome Apple people to the real world. Money talks...your piddley whining walks.
Apple is a company. They make money. If they can make a few extra bucks from screwing you over it isn't even a decision to make.
they save a few pennies by putting toxic shit in their iPhones just like Dell and Halliburton do.
APPLE IS A COMPANY. SO IS ENRON, SO IS HALIBURTON
no difference except better brandwashing
guys, I understand your
guys, I understand your position but think of it this way: let's say apple does what you say, sell the phone unlocked and follow your instructions, without the exclusive deals with telecom operators we would be left payong for a device and the ADDING all of the data features which are included by default in the iphone plans.
I think i see what apple is trying to do. They are not being "anti consumer" or "anti fanboy" just because they are not doing things the way you think. How much bitching was there when apple switched from OS9 toOSX? How many times did people say they were doing something anti their fan base? But now seven years later we all see what they were up to. Now with a brand new product in an industry that is new to a company, they are trying to change things for the better again.
Before passing judgement wait a year or so and see where this thing is going. It is way to early for this type of over sensationalized complaining.
Hey AC I hope you are
Hey AC I hope you are right. But all we have to judge on is what is currently presented to us. We never complained about the OSX switch or the Intel Switch or anything else up until this point - so this is unprecedented.
And to be fair I have had Apple products since the Apple II so we aren't just jumping on board now.
only Newbs and fanbois
only Newbs and fanbois bitched when there was a switch to OSX. the geeks were all stoked. this time it is the reverse.
Not just newbies and
Not just newbies and fanbois.... but professionals who had to repurchase all software or getting locked out of OS 9 apps when an upgraded machine didn't run the app in classic mode.
I agree the OS X switch was for the better... but for the first couple of years it was kind of a pain. the Intel switch was much easier of a move
You hit it right on the nose
You hit it right on the nose there. Its been what, 5 months since the iPhone has come out? Wait a bit guys!
When a baby is born, they are helpless, small, barely noticeable. As they progress through time, they become bigger, stronger, and start to have a voice.
The same thing is with technology. Something crude comes out, and people expand upon this idea.
Lets take this case: The iPod was a revolutionary product, back when it came out. 10GB of storage, black and white, no pictures. Look at it now, video, up to 160GB of storage, thinner, has color, pictures, lots of games. It has changed the market for musical players in a short period of time.
The iPhone has already changed the way people use their phones, and its only been about 5 months since it has come out. If you give it more time, say a year or so you will be surprised by how much it has changed for the better.
And if you think about it, it has changed already, for the better. (except for those unfortunate souls who hacked their iphones, yes I say unfortunate).
Stop complaining. Give it time.
Gday i liked this article,
Gday i liked this article, well done.
I'd suggest you read the
I'd suggest you read the TUAW article for yourselves to catch the real spirit of the piece.
Not only did we read it, we
Not only did we read it, we copy pasted it into ours, linked to it and added to it. they are always going to be a ittle softer on Apple than we are - they are effectively on Apple's payroll via advertising money - so they have little choice.
But they did a great piece there and we are here to congratulate them on it.
"Welcome Apple people to
"Welcome Apple people to the real world. Money talks...your piddley whining walks.
Apple is a company. They make money. If they can make a few extra bucks from screwing you over it isn't even a decision to make."
I think everyone was hoping that this company is different, thinks different.
In the end, once Apple was not the underdog anymore they became a company like millions others out there, greedy and out of touch with their customers.
Regarding the cost of data
Regarding the cost of data plans and phone calls on non locked environment we have excellent examples in Scandinavia (northern Europe). In many European countries SIM locking is against the law due to the fact that it restricts the consumers possibilities to choose their service provider and therefore find the most cost effective solution. OK, so you can say this is crap, nonsense etc. However, if we examine the product penetration in these markets we see that far more products are sold per capita in these markets then in locked environment. Extreme case might be Finland, which has more mobile phones then people. Also these countries have far cheaper phone calls then the locked countries due to the competition between the service providers.
Since unlocking benefits the consumers and allows better product penetration I have hard time understanding why fanboys are all fired up.
Great point! I think perhaps
Great point!
I think perhaps seeing what the locking actually does to the consumers would do the sheep/fanboys good. The carriers are getting huge margines because the cost of changing carriers is so high. Until the US passes laws banning this and the obvious collusion that currently runs rampant in the telecommunications industry, US consumers are going to be paying twice what they should for wireless.
Imagine paying $30/month for unlimited 3G and talk time.
i think Apple really saw
i think Apple really saw visual voicemail as the killer app on the iPhone from a marketing perspective. Safari was a tougher sell; lots of devices can do web surfing. When Apple went to the carriers and said they wanted to do visual voicemail, i think the carriers likely replied, "We have 423 trillion customers, you think you can sell a piddly couple million iPhones, and you want us to do all this work and mess around with our whole voicemail network? What's in it for US?" Exclusive rights. i don't think Apple had a choice, and if they unlock the phones, they can kiss their killer app goodbye.
" i don't think Apple had a
" i don't think Apple had a choice, and if they unlock the phones, they can kiss their killer app goodbye."
Application like visual voice mail isn't a big deal from service provider standpoint and in some markets voice mail altogether has lost its appeal from customer standpoint. iPhone "killer app" is the integration of phone and real iPod into one with logical and beautiful GUI.
The reason why Apple needed AT&T or some other service provider was to achieve efficient and safe product penetration on US market. However, one can only imagine what would have happened if Apple had chosen another route and wanted the users "think different", buy a phone and choose the operator which then matches your requirements. Would it sell better that way? If we examine the evidence one could assume that the product would have better penetration.
The funny thing is that Steve Jobs has managed to create the whole Mac scene, operating system that was far better then anything else when it was released but screwed it up when he decided to close the system and not to license it to third parties. Think about it, would the majority of computer users be using Mac OS X now if Steve would have licensed the Mac when there was no Windows? In comes the iPhone and yet again Steve decides to go with "lock down route" with single service provider in a age of open source etc. One would think that people learn from their mistakes... On one interview Steve Job told that he was envious about Microsoft's ability to partner with third parties. It seems he really hasn't understood the true meaning of partnering since having a single partner in cellular business is a joke. Trust me, Steve is great at products and marketing but sucks at achieving full potential on product penetration.
@tim I think quite the
@tim
I think quite the opposite. The carrier(s) that support their visual voice mail are still going to be the ones with the draw. Especially if Apple offically endorses them. But methinks, and of course this is just a guess since not even the contents of the contract are public knowledge, that Apple may have dug too deeply in their AT&T mines to get all the revenue they could out of each phone. In their negotiations they effectively committed themselves contractually to fighting unlocks so they could get a bigger cut. Which likely means they can't do a lot until the contract expires, whenever that might be.
Quote: "Don't like that?
Quote: "Don't like that? Welcome to OUR closed Ecosystem - we've modeled it on the iPhone :D"
I think this is the wrong path. Outright vulgarity, yes. Harsh or uncalled for criticism? That's life. Ask Imus or Stern. But free.
I have had posts deleted from Apple Forums for criticism of Apple. Not vulgar or even wrong. But deleted.
Censorship is foolish unless it is personal, threatening or eve vulgar when it's so simple to not be. So yes. Monitor those and edit.
But a closed system is making you part of the issue. Not the solution.
honestly its to try to keep
honestly its to try to keep people from wasting their time. You can criticize us all you want - just have a reason - keep it on topic - and back it up. All of us monitor thesecomments hourly so it is a good way to communicate with the crew. We have thick skin but a low patience for wasting time.
can we entertain the
can we entertain the discussion, for a moment, that a closed system might actually be better?...now, i don't disagree that there are merits to an open system, and the points about europe being open when it comes to cellular choices is certainly where the usa needs to go, but entertain me a second...
for as much as you state in your article that you love using your mac your way ("There is no lock in..we are free to do what we decide."), the reality is that apple has always been a closed system (save for the failed attempt at clones) and is today...we can't go buy any machine we want and install the mac os on it...we can't buy apple hardware and install windows on it (easily) without having the mac os there first...we can't buy any piece of computer hardware and install it in our mac and expect it to work...this is apple...
for a while, this was problematic...i could never get someone to switch to apple because they detested the fact that they couldn't walk into an electronics store, buy any piece of hardware they wanted, and put it in a mac...or that the printer they bought might not have mac os drivers...or that some other obscure device wouldn't work with the mac...but many of us knew that this is where windoze users had problems...since microsoft had to be everything to everyone and support everything under the sun, it deflated their usability, security, and reliability...mac users knew this...there was something good about apple's closed system...
then came the ipod and itunes...suddenly, everyone got a taste of how a closed system could be a good thing...the loop between the music, the ipod, and itunes was seamless and the user experience fantastic...and everyone got it...suddenly, microsoft's model wasn't cutting it...all of the music stores separated from the players separated from the drm separated from the software - it was a mess...microsoft started to see that maybe, just maybe, apple's method had some merit after all...and the xbox was born...and the zune was born...
and now we're at the iphone...apple is operating the exact same way it always has (again, save for the failed attempt at clones)...i suppose you could say that steve jobs is operating the exact same way he always has...he wants a closed system to keep with the mantra that having end-to-end control makes the user experience better...and you can't argue - it does...and it absolutely sucks the notion of choice out of the discussion...no argument there...but the user experience for the average person - apple's target - is better...
now, this is a different time...open source, open standards, open everything is all the rage...it's a new paradigm that both apple and microsoft are trying to feel their way around...and while it has caught on in a lot of circles, it hasn't hit the average person yet...yet...and until then, i will happily take apple's closed model and i won't expect anything more from them than a lot more closed infinite loops...
I couldn't agree more... I
I couldn't agree more... I beginning to feel unloved.
You've got maybe 1% of
You've got maybe 1% of iPhone purchasers hacking their iPhones. Everyone else knew, going in, that the iPhone was restricted to AT&T and would only have Web 2.0 3rd party apps available. No surprise there.
The iPhone has the highest satisfaction rating in cell phone history. Most buyers are more than satisfied.
Apple had to go with a new marketing paradigm to get the added features and cheap data rates needed for the iPhone to be a success. They also had to pass on 3G technology to increase battery life. Finding the balance between features, battery life, and physical size is Apple's forte and that also factored into the exclusivity contract.
The AT&T contract is also probably behind the attempts by Apple to secure the iPhone. It must be remembered that the hacks were made through an unfixed vulnerability. Apple patching that vulnerability is what bricked the hacked iPhones. Did anyone think Apple would not patch iPhone security vulnerabilities? Didn't Apple warn hackers not to update?
>> It must be remembered
>> It must be remembered that the hacks were made through an unfixed vulnerability. Apple patching that vulnerability is what bricked the hacked iPhones.
Huh? Then why did it also accidentally brick phones that were on the AT&T pay-as-you-go plan and hadn't had the software/firmware/hardware modified in any manner? That had zippo to do with the jailbreak.
Isn't it about time to move
Isn't it about time to move onto some of the more exciting things that are going in a positive direction for Apple: Leopard, possible new Mac Pro processors (Penryn), possible new MacBook line. I understand some of these are speculations but most of these posts are exactly that.
There is much more news in the speculation of new things coming out for Apple than rehashing all the things you dislike about Apple's iPhone decisions.
Isn't there already plenty
Isn't there already plenty of sites doing just that? Do we really need yet another site going over the same stuff that all the others are doing? I think 9to5Mac has done great job reporting on issues that concern many Mac users. Keep up the good work!
Yes, Yes, Yes Great article,
Yes, Yes, Yes
Great article, points out all my thought on Apple lately.
Perhaps many of us are and
Perhaps many of us are and have been Apple supporters since we wanted an alternative, even an underdog, to support. We didn't want to move in directions which threatened our freedom of choice or reminded us too much of a Orwellian 1984 future. We liked Apple's ads, it spunk and its technology.
But imagine a world where Apple had made "better" business decisions back in the 1980s and today controlled 90% of the software market for operating systems. What would that world be like? Hmmm. Might not be that pretty of a picture!
Apple is just a corporation which is driven to make money. I understand that. The issue for me is whether Apple takes a long term view and thus wants to treat its customers as well as reasonably as possible or takes a short term view of trying to make as much money as possible this quarter (so who cares about customers?).
I like the long term view given that I perceive it to be more customer friendly. But I see more and more short term thinking at Apple.
One example which comes to mind is having Apple dip into the telephone network provider's revenue stream. I don't think I like that. Will Apple's engineers develop new phone features because they make for a better phone or because they cause more network traffic? If Apple were revenue indifferent with respect to network usage that would be preferable to me. Come up with good ideas to make the phone better as opposed to ideas which squeeze yet another penny out of your customers. Squeezing pennies here and there add up and help short term profits, but when your customers start thinking that you are taking undue advantage, they will look for alternatives.
Apple has sought out the customer who did mind alternative solutions (who thought differently). Apple needs to remember that we haven't changed, we still think differently and will seek other alternatives when the Apple juice sours.
Can anyone tell me why Apple
Can anyone tell me why Apple didn't create it's own MVNO alá Amp’d for the iPhone? It would make the user experience seamlessly Apple-branded, and they might have even chosen a 3G network right off the bat (for me, the most frustrating thing about using the iPhone is when I'm stuck on an EDGE connection). All of the different exclusive contracts with mobile networks around the world, plus the unlocked versions in countries with reasonable consumer protection laws, leads to a confusing clusterfuck. With MVNO they could have contracted with multiple carriers behind the scenes, and kept their data service "virtually" in-house. Or am I on crack?
"Apple buys itself out of
"Apple buys itself out of its carrier agreements (because is Apple adding value to the voice or data connection?- why should they get a piece?)"
Because they pay for it?
Think one step further. It is common understanding that Apple gets a share of the providers revenue. What for again?
The iPhone has a very sophisticated software environment that is not simply a by-product of Mac OS X (like the Apple TV is, which is "just" kind of a "Mac mini-mini"). It (OS X 1.0) was developed alongside the iPhone hardware for about 2 and a half years and development will continue full force, more or less. And probably by many dozens of software engineers. Unlike any other phone.
So who pays for the ongoing development? Apple of course, out of their profits. Would you not try to regain at least some of that money spent? The customers already pay for the hardware and the contract with the provider, not for the software updates (because of that Sarbanes-Oxley Act?), in fact noone would do the latter (not w/o an outcry like for the price cut..).
There is only one source left. One source that is very interested that the perceived value of the handset stays as high as possible or even grows as that draws new customers: The provider.
With this theory there might be a break-even, a number of iPhones that have to be operated through the official providers, for Apple to pay for all ongoing development. But until then they have to enforce the lock, so that it does not cut into their profits. So f.e. in France the price for the unlocked iPhone will be set at a level that Apple still can reach its break even (with a then to be expected lower rate of unlocks of Orange-bound iPhones)
The flipside would be that if Apple sells (only?) unlocked phones there would either be no software updates _at all_ or it would charge the ones demanding them: The iPhone user. Probably $2,50 for a .1 update, $0,50 for a 0.01 one. Maybe there will only ever be an unlocked iPhone available in a market when either law demands it or every (most) provider sells it anyway, this may possibly be as soon as the exclusivity contracts end (or much later).
(part of the revenue participation money might also be for hardware service and Apple guarantee expenses not accounted for in the iPhone price)
This would cover the bullet point 2 and 5, Apple simply would not get money for unlocked iPhones. Of course Apple has an obligation not to harm the provider networks, possibly gets less money if the iPhones creates to much traffic and/or if the iPhone does not operate regularely the provider contract might be canceled by the customer (no. 3.) so no software in-the-wild, only through a controlled environment. Risk prevention.
No. 1 is easy: 1st law of business - high demand, high price. When demand is declining cut the price, first iPhone, then iTunes Plus pricing. The latter may have been in reaction to Amazons mp3, but then again Apple has expected a strong competitor for over four(4) years now, "Amazon, what took you so long?".
Ringtone prices are ridiculous, all over the world. The Proof? Apple charges 99 cents twice and still is the cheapest option :-0
Again just a theory. with which for me most details known of the Apple/provider relationships make sense.
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Ciao, Alex
If you don't think that the
If you don't think that the exclusive deal is good for the customers just go to the ATT store and try and piece together a rate plan for a blackberry that is comparable to the iphone plans. Apple wanted to make sure that the user wouldn't have to pay through the roof for unlimited data and messaging plans so that all the nifty features of the phone would actually be used. with no exclusive deals with providers people would probably cheap out and not get a plan that would put the iphone to its full use lowering the customer satisfaction in the device.