(MS)NBC using Microsoft Silverlight for Olympic video streaming - PowerPC users screwed

Sat, 08/09/2008 - 3:10pm — Chauncey Dupree
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So the Olympics are in full effect after an amazing opening ceremony.  Time to catch up on the events on teh Internets?

Not so fast Apple users!  Install Microsoft Silverlight Beta 2 if we want to watch any streaming videos from NBC.com? 

Two year old PowerPC Mac?  Sorry, Silverlight doesn't work on your machine.

We didn't plan on having to install a potentially very annoying Microsoft application framework just to watch some web videos.  Ever heard of Flash?  Why one earth would NBC...Oh..MSNBC...Nevermind.

It is really hard to feel sorry for old media when they make bonehead decisions like this at the expense of their would-be viewers..

If you are obliged, go to MSNBC's Silverlight page.  After all of that whining, it is only a 7mb download and hasn't done anything horrible to our machines...yet.

 

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I know we all like to hate

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I know we all like to hate MS, but what's so bad about Silverlight as opposed to Flash?

What's so bad about Flash

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What's so bad about Flash that we need Silverlight?

Nothing is "so bad" about

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Nothing is "so bad" about Flash that we need Silverlight. That's not the point.

Video Quality

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Silverlight has superior video support. Flash's video support sucked until they got some competetion from Microsoft and while it's improved it still isn't as good as Silverlight.

If there was no Silverlight there would be no high quality Olympic streaming content.

We should be thankful to NBC and Microsoft for giving us unprecedented access to these games.

What a load of crap

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Are you a marketing puppet?

We should never forgive NBC and MS and everyone else involved in this travesty.

The restrictions on olympic content is staggering.

I cannot get silverlight to work on my new intel mac. Dead in the water.

On my pc it works fine except I cannot find the content I want, just some cornball edited melodramatic crap highlighting Team USA endlessly.

On my TV it is the same, with NBC never showing what I want to see, when I want to see it. What is this, 1984 or 2008? Why don't you show live feeds on off-channels, seems like you could fill a few 24-hour channels with nothing but coverage!

Does NBC realize that if Olympic coverage doesn't enter our daily lives, we do not care and will happily miss everything? And our daily lives is not TV or NBC.com centered. We watch content on the go!

So what if NBC hordes everything in their own useless distribution channels, only showing us a fraction of the events, a full day after they happen?

Well, there are so many other ways to entertain ourselves...most folks I know don't bother jumping through ANY hurdles to watch, as it's already sort of boring, at its best!

So good job, idiots, way to alienate a whole generation of possible fans. Sorry, athletes, I would give a damn about you but the pigs in charge don't want me to.

People will watch millions of video clips today, and NBC spent a tome of money to ensure that NONE will be of the Olympics. Build it, and talk people out of coming. Idiots.

Speaking of epic fail, the

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Speaking of epic fail, the writing on this post is miserable.

Never mind that PPC Mac users

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Never mind that PPC Mac users (some of those machines are less than two years old) are completely left out, since Silverlight 2 is Intel-only. Big thanks to NBC for that decision...I already expressed my displeasure through their feedback form.

What is the problem with

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What is the problem with Silverlight? I don't get it. Took less than a minute to install it. Works fine. Where is the epic fail? Where has it failed for you?

This thing keeps crashing

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This thing keeps crashing safari, no matter how many times I re-install. Epic Fail for sure.

Sounds like Operator Error to me.

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Sounds like Operator Error to me.

You really hate Microsoft but...

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Is this blog the place to express it? I expect better...

???

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I was using my brothers computer to go to the apple.com website to take a look at the computers, and i couldn't believe it: Apple had the gall to make me install quicktime! Even more infuriating was that quicktime 7 couldn't be installed on his Pentium Pro Packard Bell. I mean how can I be expected to use a company's software just to view their products, they totally should have supported Adobe and used flash.

Oh and by the way, in case you were sleeping when they announced it, but turns out the olympics can be viewed for free on over the air broadcasts, but would you believe it, in order to do that they require you to own a television! What has this world come to.

Pentium Pro?  That is about 6

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Pentium Pro?  That is about 6 years old.  Packard Bell?  when were they still around?

 

TV?  nah.

 

Point is, should they be

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Point is, should they be encouraging as many people as possible to watch, or not?

How balanced should their goal be to show the world the Olympics vs only show a select group of verified customers?

What if they lock it down so well that nobody cares enough to jump through all the hoops?

NBC commentators are horrible and sometimes offensive. Their coverage is horrible biased.

This day and age, NBC is really taking the old-fashioned road...for all their money invested, the results are 25-year old broadcasting techniques.

As someone who embraces the future, NBC is terribly obsolete. I look at their brand with disdain. I expect them to lose a lot of money on this venture.

Adobe Flash

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Adobe release buggy updates to Flash that crash Firefox and Safari on a regular basis but it seems many Mac users would prefer sites use it because it's not from Microsoft. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Silverlight offers quality of video that Flash cannot match. Therefore the quality of the Olympic offering is superior as a Silverlight implementation compared to if it was flash.

Install Silverlight, enjoy an amazing experience and thank Microsoft and NBC for provided unprecedented access to these Olympic Games.

re: ??? do you really believe

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re: ???

do you really believe accessibility to apple.com is as important as accessibility to the OLYMPIC GAMES? please!! NBC should have made sure, DAMN SURE, that online video content of the olympic games would be accessible to the widest possible audience. a lot of people don't like installing more crap onto their computer to view video (or any other reason, really). i was appalled when i was forced to install *BETA* microsoft software on my intel iMac to view these games. i'm PISSED to find out i can't even do it on my powerbook.

this was just a power grab by microsoft to peddle their crap onto millions of computers in very short order. next they will brag about the adoption rate and use those statistics to get more developers to use it. UGH

To make you happy, how should

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To make you happy, how should have NBC proceeded?

Offering it via Flash which also requires people to install crap onto their computer to view video?

NBC made the decision that a superior experience and high quality trumped everything else. They could have chosen the least common denominator and gotten a few more legacy machines to be able to support it but at what cost? The degradation of quality would likely have equated to fewer viewers.

They made the right call and we should be grateful to Microsoft and NBC for giving us more access to the games than we've ever had before.

i call BS. silverlight did

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i call BS. silverlight did not appear any better than a quality example of any of the other standard web video formats probably already installed on user's machines (windows media, quicktime, flash). to thank microsoft for this is a joke, if microsoft had not come out with silverlight nbc would have chosen a different format that would have been more ubiquitous and no one would have complained of lack of quality.

In MSNBC's defense

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Microsoft have been divesting from that partnership for a long time now. It's already a mere minority stakeholder.

Dude the point is, that a

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Dude the point is, that a PowerPC Mac should easily be able to run Silverlight. It seems rather arbitrary, but typical of MS, to just not code a PowerPC version for something that should be as ubiquitous as Olympic programming.

It isn't arbitrary. Some

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It isn't arbitrary. Some things don't port from Wintel to PPC as easy as to Mac Intel. Silverlight is new and looking forward. Priority to do Mac Intel first (and maybe only ever, because of how long it will take to get to the PPC and the extra work to support) is pretty clear.

y'all need to think about how old some of these things are

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Powerpc mac? try almost 3 years old since the intel macs were unveiled 2/14/2006. And pentium pro is more like 12 years old so no doubt your cousin needs a newer pc. Did anyone ever think that maybe your powerpc chips aren't powerful enough to watch videos anymore. before y'all think that i'm just trying to start something I've been using computers since the pentium pros were new, and currently i'm typing this on a powerbook G4 667mhz, even youtube lags on this laptop

you can't be serious

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did you honestly think i was for real when i said i used a packard bell pentium pro? the pentium pro came out in 1996. i was poking fun at someone who thinks that because they happen to have a powerbook that every service provider should cater to their needs. i can't begin to imagine how much he'll bitch when apple pulls the support on their new os' for ppc. and this is coming from a ibook user mind you.

watching the olympics is not a "right" nbc does not "owe you" the ability to watch the olympic games. if there were to be some programing required for someone in a public school to watch for their classes and it forced you to use some proprietary software, well then that might be an issue... oh wait, didn't apple start making podcasts for schools that kids are required to watch, which forces them to download itunes on their computer? hmmm, well i guess that's ok because its apple and itunes is totally the best.

you people need a reality check, every tech company is going to use whatever edge they can get in order to get the general public to use their software.

Umm...

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Umm....

You have to install Flash too. It's not like its built right into the browser or anything. It's also irrelevant if your on a PC or Mac too- you have to install it on a PC as well if you don't have it yet.

Also, even Apple is starting to cut support for the PowerPC platform so you can't really blame MS.

MLB.TV

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I'm a big baseball fan, and MLB TV also use silverlight to stream live games, and the service is a lot better since they have been using it.

Yet they support Firefox

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While advertising their online features they used firefox and not ie

I'd prefer Silverlight to

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I'd prefer Silverlight to Flash (most of the time). As mentioned by someone else, Silverlight has MUCH better video quality, but it's also less taxing on your browser/computer resources.

One can only have a very low (less than 19) instances on Flash running at once, also. That means, if you have the MSNBC site open and are playing a video, then those two banner ads are counted as separate instances. So, you're typical site with video means you have 3 instances of Flash running. A couple more tabs ad Flash quits running.

Finally, I just upgraded to a new iMac a month ago, so I know just how annoying it is to have applications not support PPC. And there are plenty of apps that require Intel. It sucks, but Silverlight is not the only one. Nor is it the most important.... not by a long shot.

I hate to say this, but if anyone has the right to complain, it's WIndows XP users. Only Vista and Intel-based OS X machines can stream the Olympics.

Last time I checked, Flash

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Last time I checked, Flash supported the industry standard of H.264 encoded MP4s at true HD resolutions. Silverlight being used for the Olympics is simply a power play by Microsoft. Just ask the person who received the 8 figure check over at NBC Universal. By all accounts, they also got access to the engineering team and streaming infrastructure support.

Yeah, I have heard of Flash.

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Yeah, I have heard of Flash. Seems Apple is struggling with it though, since I can't view any of it on my iPhone.

As for bitching about having to install a program from Microsoft, I have to install QuickTime just to get iTunes... the most USELESS piece of software bullshit ever made.

Apple DRM

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If Apple would come up with a more broadly available DRM solution, lots more content might make it's way to iTunes. I realize that's different from streaming, but nbc is also supporting video downloads -- but not for Mac because of DRM issues.