How Come No One Noticed There Was No Mention of DVD in the New MacBook?

Sat, 09/22/2007 - 9:28am — Chauncey Dupree
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So when we got the news from Cleve and his source about the new laptops, the first thing we asked ourselves was how is Apple going to  squeeze all of the laptop internals into such a thin Package?  Battery optimization?  Couldn't hurt.  Making the boot drive into NAND RAM?  Possible but still very expensive.  Motherboard optimization?  Yeah sure but you can only save so much space doing that.  Then it hit us: was the MacBook DVD going the way of the dodo?

When you consider the facts, it is a no-brainer.  What is the largest  part of the internals of a laptop and at the same time (as trends go) is used less and less - not to mention its status as a powerhog.  What could the average laptop certainly do without on a daily basis?  Without a doubt, it is the DVD player.  Why? 

  • Optical disks are used infrequently for software installs because of speedy (and frequently updated) Internet software downloads  
  • Huge USB sticks replace the need for offline storage
  • Online backup systems replace needs for DVD-R backups
  • Music and video are downloaded far more over the Internet than put on DVD and CD anymore (you think Apple and any interest in this?!)

If Apple takes this route, likely expect the laptops to be bundled with external bus-powered Firewire or USB DVD drives to compliment the package and do software reinstalls.  Either that or huge thumb drives!

Edit: We are getting a lot of comments with people screaming "what about huge software installs!" or "What about ripping music/Movies" or "I am a photographer and I need it to burn DVDs for my clients!!"
Read the post. The scenario we've put forth calls for an EXTERNAL DVD drive. IF you need it, take it with you!
Plus Apple will probably do it up in a fresh, unique way like magnetized to the back of your screen or a lanyard around your neck.

Take that Flavor Flav!!

Comments

Mmm … MacBook. "Wafer

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Mmm … MacBook. "Wafer thiiiiiin!"

There's nothing revolutionary about removing the optical drive. Other makers do it for their lightest laptops. And as you describe: it's more practical with every passing day.

But what is interesting is what Ive and Co. can come up with now the slot is gone. Bring me MacBook!

DVD going the way of the dodo

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Wouldn't be surprised. Can't remember the last time I used one.

Haha no.

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I really doubt that Apple would do that. Nobody want's the hassle of finding a external DVD drive every time they want to use a DVD. Which is becoming more frequent now that the CD seems to be going the way of the Dinosaurs.

Its not laughably untrue, rather very likely

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DVD's are going the way of the dinosaurs just as fast as CD's, if not quicker. There are better video disc formats available, and online downloads for software are growing exponentially. Not to mention that a lot of software to moving exclusively to the online space.

Laptops are meant to be portable platforms, if a user tends to use a lot of optical formats/or other external storage mediums with their computer they are inherently less mobile. It is fair to assume then that a desktop is a more suitable platform for that type of user.

As notebooks gain more battery life, internal storage, and computing power, the need for physical formats lessens, because the length of time that the computer will spend away from its 'home' will greaten, thus any disk or other physical storage medium that can't be carried with the computer becomes less available. And frankly if you are going to carry something stored on a disc with you, at this day and age there is no reason that it can't be kept on the computer your carrying.

Physical media won't dissapper, but its purpose/priority will continue to change

DVD's not extinct.

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Yes, many things are moving to the internet, however:

- There are still those who do not wish to download software off the internet for 3 reasons:
a) Internet connection could be slow, taking ages to download software
b) Some people are not sure if the software is completely secure or fake.
c) Some (very few) people do not have internet.

- The DVD is not going extinct, it looks like its just beginning, with more and more software coming on DVD
- Also, if the DVD is going extinct, and the CD is already an endangered species, why would you want a CD drive, why not no drive at all?

- Yes, eventually the DVD will go the way of the do do bird, and probably be replaced by memory sticks, but for now, a DVD drive should not be ruled out. At least, not in the full model laptop. But if there is a sub-notebook from Apple, yes, it would make since to cut the DVD.

Who is the market?

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I can see dropping an optical drive if this is the "fabled" slim MBP. The MB sells to college students, lots of whom don't have TVs or DVD players and use their laptops as all around media players. A slim MBP, OTOH, would sell to professionals and technology enthusiasts who would have other means of watching that Heroes DVD collection.

A Macbook without a DVD

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A Macbook without a DVD drive would be a paper weight to a large amount of potential buyers. Absolutely need to keep this around for one more iteration; It's not just some silly floppy drive of 1MB you can email....

"A Macbook without a DVD

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"A Macbook without a DVD drive would be a paper weight to a large amount of potential buyers"

So, historically, were the first Macs without floppies, the first Mac laptops without modems, etc -- yet Apple's never been shy about omitting previously-standard peripherals to push forwards relentlessly.

DVD drive still needed

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This move would encourage a lot of people to rip DVDs as nobody wants to carry an external drive with them on a trip and definitely don't want to be fiddling with the drive while cramped in the already too small airplane seats.

Optical drive usage has definitely declined and with Apple doing movie downloads, their business model encourages DVD usage even less.

Will be interesting to see what they do, but as was already mentioned, MacBooks are extremely popular with the college crowd who use their computer as an all-in one device for entertainment.

If they do that it's not a

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If they do that it's not a MacBook, it's the rumored sub-notebook. Might call it MacBook-mini or some such silliness but it still won't replace the MacBook, as they won't drop the SuperDrive on the "consumer" -- read, good enough for about everyone for all purposes -- laptop. Me, one of the reasons I bought an MB instead of a Pro-line model this time, besides the lovely keyboard, the mag latch and the like $1,300 lower price for similar performance, was no aluminum, no dents. i don't want an aluminum MacBook.

1300$ for "similar

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1300$ for "similar performance"... Hum... I think you never looked at specs... the graphic card in Macbook is integrated cheap Intel's card... MacBook Pro had ATI X1600 and now Radeon HD2600 which are high-eng graphic cards (at least for laptops) so it's really different... Your macbook can't hook up a 30" monitor at full resolution, MacBook Pro can!, etc...

It is really different!

then do like sample company

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then do like sample company and ship it on a freaking hard drive, media distribution is lower than flash and at the same time you get a usb2/FW drive to use (let's say they make that a 4-500 GB with 2 partition, 1 is the read only install set(preferably with the sounds free(ie, not .pkg'ed) so I can choose to only access them from that drive OR install them on my internal and the other 3-400 GB is jsut a free partition for you to record on, sell logic 600$ instead of 500)

Many benefits to removing

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Many benefits to removing the DVD;
1. lighter, smaller foot print
2. easier (though more $) to upgrade to bluray etc (external DVD); not permanently stuck with outdated internal drive; you think we are going to still be using their 8x superdrive 3 yrs from now?
3. I agree most people don't use their DVD as much; though apple would still need to include an external drive
4. I'm sure most people know about DVD rippers such as MacTheRippper, which allow you to rip DVDs to the hard drive
5. Easier service issues if DVD drive breaks (apple service: "we'll just mail you a new one")
6. Despite this, I'm sure the new MB will have a DVD; the ultralight macbook pro however seems likely not to have a DVD

Dvd rom... really not important

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the part that i use less of my macbook or macbook pro is really the CD/DVD-ROM.. is use it for nothing.. just maibe play a DVD once a month! but for that i can use also a DVD-usb.

Also when i install new software i prefer install it from network storage disk ..

the truth is that DVD-ROM is deprecated!

MacBook = Consumer Notebook

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MacBook = consumer notebook. If Apple offers only one consumer notebook option it must cover the needs of most of the consumer market. There are markets that can be offered a notebook without an optical drive, but consumers in general would not be happy with not having an optical drive whenever they need it. I'm sure there was a lot of attachment to the floppy drive when it was deprecated, but at the time there were two removable disk drives, optical and floppy, so removing the older as it's use lessened made sense.

Obviously the optical drive is becoming less used, especially in recent months, but as I see it a relatively large amount of consumers need them, and they can't afford to be left without their drive because they are away from home.

Basically, we are almost there, but we shouldn't yet be calling for the death of the optical drive in all of Apple's new consumer notebooks.

[quote=Gabriele Barni]the part that i use less of my macbook or macbook pro is really the CD/DVD-ROM.. is use it for nothing.. just maibe play a DVD once a month! but for that i can use also a DVD-usb.

Also when i install new software i prefer install it from network storage disk ..

the truth is that DVD-ROM is deprecated!

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Um...no it's not. Have you seen all of Apple's offerings right now? They all include a DVD-ROM capable drive.

Re

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[quote=Ethan]

MacBook = consumer notebook. If Apple offers only one consumer notebook option it must cover the needs of most of the consumer market. There are markets that can be offered a notebook without an optical drive, but consumers in general would not be happy with not having an optical drive whenever they need it. I'm sure there was a lot of attachment to the floppy drive when it was deprecated, but at the time there were two removable disk drives, optical and floppy, so removing the older as it's use lessened made sense.

Obviously the optical drive is becoming less used, especially in recent months, but as I see it a relatively large amount of consumers need them, and they can't afford to be left without their drive because they are away from home.

Basically, we are almost there, but we shouldn't yet be calling for the death of the optical drive in all of Apple's new consumer notebooks.

[quote=Gabriele Barni]the part that i use less of my macbook or macbook pro is really the CD/DVD-ROM.. is use it for nothing.. just maibe play a DVD once a month! but for that i can use also a DVD-usb.

Also when i install new software i prefer install it from network storage disk ..

the truth is that DVD-ROM is deprecated!

[/quote]

Um...no it's not. Have you seen all of Apple's offerings right now? They all include a DVD-ROM capable drive.

[/quote]

maibe so... but IMHO that in a 13" config a DVD-ROM is not so important for any kind of work. It can be offered in BTO (built to order) a good designed apple dvd-rom USB 2.0..

btw i think that in any kind of config (17" included) is not so important include a DVD-ROM , can be BTO for all the notebooks.

Good riddance! or...

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I use my MB's drive about once a month to rip a CD; then if just lays. but then again, i don't know what I'd do if i couldn't rip the cd...

How about a new version of

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How about a new version of OSX or Office? or Photoshop? or.....

You shouldn't have to buy an external for this..

DVDs will be around and needed for a bit more....

Or is it Return of the Duo? (i.e. heavy media files, optical drive in the dock, and NAND in the supa-slim?

Ahhhhh Duo

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I loved my Duo. It was thin and light and I never missed my CD or floppy drives when out and about.
A modern reworking of the Duo and DuoDock would be awesome!
They just gave us back the Newton, I don't see why Apple wouldn't rethink the Duo :)

it will not be a sub-notebook

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i doubt that apple will in the forseeable come out with a sub-notebook or a tablet for that matter.
Reason:

-no dvd drive means that it only caters to the business crowd, which apple has never done in the second coming of steve jobs. the most recent example of this would be the iphone. it would only be good product to a serviceable few and would quickly become a niche product with limited profit potential. an aluminum macbook w/ dvd would not only attract the business segment, but also college students and general use computer users who want something thin and light to carry around.
the biggest tip off to all of this was the ipod classic. as soon as they moved to aluminum and disregarded the white for silver told where apple was going in terms of the macbook. apple is clearly moving all of their main products to aluminum as evidenced by the greener apple statements by jobs. battery life can also still be improved with a move to the led screens which jobs had also talked about. there will be a move to a no optical drive to a mac some day, but flash drives are still too expensive and too many people are still dependent on CD/DVD to exchange information.
if you combine all of this and the fact that a new macbook is due at exactly the time that the holiday season starts, all of this is pointing to a new macbook.

I use my MacBook as a

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I use my MacBook as a desktop. It's connected to a cinema display. Very rarely do I find the need for the internal optical drive. Software is almost always installed from a download. Backups are done to a firewire hdd. Even still, when I burn a DVD I almost always use my external burner because it's faster. File transfers from machines not on my home network are usually done using a 2G thumb drive. Files between home and work are moved through my iDIsk. If I was to take the laptop on the go, the last thing I'd probably use is the DVD drive.

Living without a built in optical drive is easy to do.

If I was to buy the new upcoming thin-book, I wouldn't miss the optcal drive if it was to go. If you had to reinstall the OS, something you need a the DVDs for, you could either use another machine in target disk mode, or connect an external DVD drive. I've seen some pretty small, thin USB burners for sale that are desinged to fit nicely in a laptop case. Sony has a pretty small one.

nope

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Tell that to the general public who buy a laptop and want to install office, or an adobe product or game or 'install software' they bought anywhere (yes some people still make it out of the house)....

Apple could drop the floppy disc *because* of the optical-Drive. There isn't a ubiquitous cheap replacement for commercial product yet to allow dropping the DVD.

ubiquitous replacement?

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At some point if Apple is serious about keeping an increasing market share they WILL have to expand their # of computer SKU's to cover market segments. They've stood steady, give or take a configuration, with their number of computer models for years now.

A super-light compact (which one article described as having a MacBook-sized screen due to drastic reduction in bezel size) is an inviting a niche as any in the market at this point.

Use of optical drives is clearly decreasing. One poster said this means it will be business only. Not so. Every piece of software I've added in the last 18 months has been a download. Ditto every piece of video (including non-downloads like YouTube). Number of times I've put a CD or DVD in my iBook while away from home: ZERO. I only use it at home for major software installs or to rip CD's and those things are best done at home if possible anyway.

Only businessmen/pros take printers or scanners with them when they lug their laptops. A cheap external CD/DVD/?HD will become just another non-travel essential peripheral left with those boat anchors at home, and would meet the needs of a rapidly growing percentage of computer users. A more pricey portable drive about the weight of two MacPro power bricks would handle most of the rest.

And the rest can buy heavier notebooks with aging tech if they need it. I think this would be a hot seller, especially it has that Apple Industrial Design touch and maybe does one or two new flashy tricks.

It's actually the most likely new Mac I would personally buy, since I have trouble lugging around the number of pounds of gear I have now, and 2 pounds less and having to plug in a drive now and then sounds like a GREAT trade-off to me.

Plus Apple's playing to a thin and light marketing scheme in many of their latest offerings. People wouldn't line up for a week as for the iPhone, but as a status geegaw, plenty of early adopters would like to the be the first at their Starbucks to show off this new lithe metal-clad techno fetish object. And would be the first computer from Apple in years to generate independent press buzz.

And as other posters have pointed out, even if it didn't appeal to the "whole spectrum," (though I think it would to 90% or more), your tendency to purchase media content through iTunes would be increased since you have to plug in your drive to rip, and some would forego having a drive to plug-in, and that would cover the difference.

So not the way of the Dodos for optical for awhile, but more like your cat. You spend time with it, but you don't take it to the coffeeshop or on the plane with you.

Bring this machine on, Apple -- but if it's a toy testbed with 32 GB of flash storage (or a slower processor than a mini), count me out -- that's still two powers of two too small, and thus about two-three years out as NAND capacity/price ratios keep increasing. Call it a nanobook if you want to (or bring one out with a 8-9 inch screen, 32 GB of flash and some touch features), but keep the steak (robust storage) WITH the sizzle in this machine if you make it.

I use my MacBook as a

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I use my MacBook as a desktop. It's connected to a cinema display. Very rarely do I find the need for the internal optical drive. Software is almost always installed from a download. Backups are done to a firewire hdd. Even still, when I burn a DVD I almost always use my external burner because it's faster. File transfers from machines not on my home network are usually done using a 2G thumb drive. Files between home and work are moved through my iDIsk. If I was to take the laptop on the go, the last thing I'd probably use is the DVD drive.

Living without a built in optical drive is easy to do.

If I was to buy the new upcoming thin-book, I wouldn't miss the optcal drive if it was to go. If you had to reinstall the OS, something you need a the DVDs for, you could either use another machine in target disk mode, or connect an external DVD drive. I've seen some pretty small, thin USB burners for sale that are desinged to fit nicely in a laptop case. Sony has a pretty small one.

Grad Student

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I'm a full time graduate student who is nearing the end of my degree in a tech-based field (read => downloading betas & trial apps and testing the heck out of them to see if they meet certain needs, designing and developing media-intensive presentations and applications, and just generally being really hard on my computer). In other words a MacBook wouldn't hold up to my daily demands.

I use my MacBook Pro for all of the work above, as well as most of my digital entertainment needs including watching dvds (netflix, so ripping isn't exactly an option) and playing games which require a dvd in the drive. These activities won't change drastically when I'm out in the real world. At present, my computer is provided as part of a school sponsored assistantship. In the next few months, I will be transitioning to the 'real world' and buying my own. I am really looking forward to the new slim MBP, but it won't fly for my overall needs without a dvd drive.

Macbook sans Optical Drive: Duh. ;)

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We think if Apple wants to compete in this portable PC market, that this is a no brainer. Although, it may be an entirely new line, "Macbook Mini" or "Macbook Nano":

Convenience of Optical Drive outweighs Benefits of no drive

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Sorry, gotta disagree with most of you. We absolutely need to have an optical drive for business. We use laptops on the road for trade shows etc, and 95% of suppliers still give us product catalogs on CDs or occasionally DVDs. Packing an external drive and fumbling with more connections is exactly what we try to eliminate. At the office and external is okay, but for our business travel it's a show stopper: Optical drives are a must.

I agree and...

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Many roadies like myself use Macbook to see DVD Movies on the plane. The MBP is too large for this.

have you been smoking crack

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have you been smoking crack ?

I watch movies daily on my MBP...  ????

Too big ? WTF ?

 

 

macbook micro w/o DVD drive

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this was my 1st guess when i heard about the slim macbook micro...