Jurors have finally reached a verdict in the latest patent spat between smartphone rivals Apple and Samsung. This trial will determine whether Samsung violated Apple’s technology patents, and, if they did, the extent of the damages incurred by Apple in losses to competing infringing devices. Apple has argued that it is owned over $2 billion in damages, and brought in several expert witnesses to testify on that point.
Earlier this month, we recapped the five key software patents that Apple claims Samsung violated. We’ve broken down the verdicts for each patent below. Samsung insists that Apple’s patents still haven’t been proven valid, so there’s a chance that some of these verdicts could be overturned on that basis in the future.
Infringement Verdicts
The jury found that Samsung infringed on the following Apple patents:
- Patent 5,946,647 — Apple’s “data detectors” that transform typed text (such as email addresses) into actionable links
- Patent 8,046,721 — Gesture-based unlock screen (“slide to unlock”); only some devices were found to infringe this patent
- Patent 8,074,172 — Deals with how autocorrect suggests words
Not Infringing Verdicts
The jury found that Samsung did not infringe on the following Apple patents:
- Patent 6,847,959 — A system that can search local and Internet-based data together (the “search web” button in Spotlight)
- Patent 7,761,414 — Deals with certain data synchronization methods (like iCloud)
Damages
The court ruled that Samsung owed Apple only $119,625,000 in damages—a far cry from the $2 billion the Cupertino company was seeking.
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Apple gave a statement to Re/code praising the jury’s decision:
“We are grateful to the jury and the court for their service,” Apple told Re/code. “Today’s ruling reinforces what courts around the world have already found: that Samsung willfully stole our ideas and copied our products. We are fighting to defend the hard work that goes into beloved products like the iPhone, which our employees devote their lives to designing and delivering for our customers.”
Apple’s Patent Violations
The court also ruled that Apple had infringed on some of Samsung’s property and awarded the Korean company $158,400 in damages.
Apple was found not guilty in the case of Samsung patent 5,579,239, which deals with streaming video during FaceTime/video calls. Apple was found guilty of infriging Samsung’s patent 6,226,449, which deals with recording and storing digital images and audio.
Looking Back
During the trial, much was revealed about the state of the Apple’s “thermonuclear war” on Android. We learned that marketing head Phil Schiller was so concerned by competitive advertising efforts that he considered firing Apple’s ad agency and finding new blood to promote the company’s iconic products.
We also got to take a peek behind the curtain at some internal emails from Steve Jobs breaking down the company’s plans for the iPhone 4s rollout, the public release of iCloud, and more.
Google recently jumped into the fray and agreed to pay some of Samsung’s legal costs in the event that the South Korean company loses the suit. It looks like Google will be making good on that promise now.
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with bated breath…
ahh so exciting
I knew they’d want to get out on a Friday… the juries course of action is simple and they wasted no time.
My bet is a win for Apple but they won’t get the cash they are asking for.
lol typos everywhere
‘On Sa’
‘butotn’
Yeah, that’s what happens when you’re working quickly and dealing with incoming data from multiple sources that needs to be sorted and posted quickly. :P
But then we fix ’em.
Hmm Mike, thats not really sufficient. Thats an excuse and not a reason. I mean you could have waited 10 minutes longer, edited your ‘work’, no-one would’ve noticed and your story would appear more professional.
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With or without the typos?
This Article has many typos. Do you guys proof read before releasing a Article?.
Anyways good to see that this is done & over with. Apple can cry for 2 Bill but wont get it. They got enough & honestly Apple isn’t the company it was once in my eyes. All they care is suing Samsung but never releasing amazing products. Same front design, Same $900 price tag for a 64GB phone which i find pretty bad as people complain about other phones being $600+ yet this one is almost 1 grand with taxed & a case per say. Apple needs to focus on making their iPhone better & Os better rather then suing Samsung. I understand Samsung has used their patents without permission but please do remember unlike Samsung & the rest, Apple went far enough patent the corners of the phone, icons & such. So i see both sides of this & not siding with anyone but i see this payment is fair.,
( Please do remember this is my own opinion & don’t reply back bashing as i said my own opinion)
They are updating it live. So a few mistakes are ok in my mind.
So you’re another one of these “Apple must release a groundbreaking new product every other year” crybabies? Honestly. NPD is an insane amount of work. 3-5 yrs is about as fast as it gets.
Actually i am not but what i am saying is for Apple to get rid of the same old front design & go for a newer, better look in my own opinion. Oh i know how much work is put into making devices & electronics if not everything else but if Apple wants to bring out something new, start with the front of the phone. If you do not like my post so be it but stay away from attacking users because they post their own opinions even if u may not like them. Its nice to see you guys on here put words in peoples mouths & assume things tho. This is one reason why i tend to stay away from making comments
Ha ha. Samsung and HTC manages to release amazing new phones every year, but Apple can’t do it? Pleeeze, they could if they would get off their high-horse and listen to the public instead of the now out-dated “We tell the public what they want” concept. Right now the Samsung and HTC phones are better than iphones in so many ways. Apple needs to move swiftly to get back in the game. Hopefully they will FINALLY quit saying their phone is the “perfect” size and listen to the public demands. It’;s only been 4 years…yawn. I’ve seen so many friends and co-workers get Galaxy phones in the last 2 years and be quite surprised how big, light and easy to use. I’ve never had a lockup with my Android OS, it’s fast as hell and intuitve as a personal assistant.
When we are updating an article live as an event is happening, typos are bound to happen. That’s just what happens when you’re working fast.
I noticed quite a few typos in your own comment, so I think it’s safe to conclude that no one types perfectly all the time, wouldn’t you agree?
@Mike Beasley
Difference between me & you is that i do not write a article for a website that people view. You do tho. So yes while many of us make mistakes,then again you if you are working fast, i am sure you can proof read it before pressing for the article to go live. Is that not correct?.
Either way nice to see you fixed the mistakes.
What’s with you and typos?
Seriously, are you trying to correct people while writing “tho” and not using commas? I’m mentally breathless from reading your sentences.
No Dimitri, we don’t always have time to carefully re-read each sentence to ensure that everything is perfect before publishing breaking information. Sometimes we have to get the information out there and go back later to polish it.
Just listen less to these, we like the site anyway! :-)
So you guys rather not proof read your articles before releasing a ” breaking news”?. Where did you learn that? As someone that has family working in News papers as reporters they always proof read their articles before publishing them but i guess on the internet sites like this do not care.
Also you see my name & yet can not spell it properly. Its Dimitri, not Dmitri. Another fail as a publisher.
Anyways have a good one!
Dimitri, I hope English isn’t your first language. The last thing you should be complaining about is spelling and grammar. You’ve slaughtered every post you’ve made, don’t embarrass yourself further.
P.S. Your comments were obscenely ignorant as to Apple.
Dimitri, newspapers and the Internet are two completely different forms of news media. It is impossible for a newspaper editor to go back and correct a typo once an article has been published and papers have been sold. Newspapers are also not capable of breaking news as quickly as the Internet, and thus often have plenty of extra time to go back and proofread before an article goes to press.
On the Internet, we don’t have either of those issues. We can publish information as soon as it becomes available, and so we do. We also have the luxury of being able to go back and edit errors that have already been published. We do that, too.
Facts like these are what set newspapers (“old media”) and the Internet (“new media”) apart. Attempting to compare the two is ridiculous. They’re entirely different. We would LOVE to be able to catch every single typo before it goes out, but we can’t. We are human and the Internet is a fast-paced place.
Not sure why you were is such a big hurry? I mean you weren’t the first site to break this story.
Because that is the nature of the Internet.
I agree that internet and newspapers are different. People who read internet news want consumption as fast as they can get it. We expect sports scores, CNN and Twitter to be up-to-the-minute. All of the organizations that run those also have typos when trying to curate information quickly. If someone wants English 101 perfect then stick to the morning paper. If you want it “as it’s happening”… then continue to visit 9to5, Engadget and Gizmodo. No one forces anyone to consume any one news source. The only thing Beasley is guilty of is trying to get the info out before… or at the same time… as other media outlets. It’s perfectly acceptable to correct the issues after.
@Michael Pearson.
No, its still not acceptable. This is probably the difference between bloggers and educated journalists.
If you ‘publish’ something, then you make sure its at least free of typos. It doesn’t take that long.
I hope he learns his lesson here, you can see that 50% of the comments are about his poor blogging skills, so it DOES indeed matter in the eyes of the consumer.
Hopefully you posted here, because like many of us, you enjoy reading all things Apple and by sharing your opinion, which I do respect, you have to expect that people will have an opinion about your opinion. After 7 long years of touch screen phones and tablets, before the iPhone was revealed in 2007 Apple worked with Motorolla to put their iPod into the Motorola ROKR E1, which was a complete waste of a time. It failed, it was so slow, clunky and barely worked. I remember this back in 2005 owning this phone. So when the iPhone was revealed in 2007, it surprised everyone, because phones just didn’t look the iPhone or function they way it was proposed. Holding a device in your hand and looking up ‘Starbucks’ for example on a map and pressing the phone number on the screen to auto dial is something we all take for granted today, but no one did this then. Now the possibilities are endless. This patent war is about this 2007 device. Not the 2014 devices we have today. When examples like this was demoed for the first time by Steve, people everyone realized we entered into a whole new era of technology and portability. When Steve Jobs said, “…and boy we patented it.” That statement from Steve and the laughter you hear in the audience during their reveal is in reference to huge blow to Apple when Creative won $100 million against Apple for patenting first the user interface of the iPod had made famous with its click/jog wheel. So this Apple vs. Samsung suite that we know and hate is actually 7+ long years in the making, because of suits just like the one with Creative vs. Apple.
On the note of errors. It’s not printed media. It can always be resolved later.
“This Article has many typos. Do you guys proof read before releasing a Article?.”
Dimitri, he types in the same style as he makes his tie (on his avatar pic) :)
Ok it’s not the end of the world as far as typos are concerned, although it does detract from the seriousness of the article.
This is not “breaking news” that needs to be reported within 5 minutes of the jury’s verdict.
Could’ve / should’ve waited 10 minutes longer to edit and the article would have been better.
Maybe Mike was in a hurry to join the Apple execs partying in the streets of Cupertino.
Probably not much of a party for Apple. More like a wake!
Legally if you don’t defend your patents you can lose them and the legal team don’t develop products. They can sue Samsung and make great products at the same time. You know they don’t do a total redesign every year, so hang in there. Their devices aren’t really more expensive than comparable devices any more.
You’ve confused patents with trademarks. There is no “defend it or lose it” with patents.
Sorry temporary dementia/lack of sleep/crossed the streams.
>>done & over with.
Is this the first trial you’ve ever payed attention to? It’s nowhere near over.
>>They got enough
Thanks for pretending you are in any way qualified to say that.
>>All they care is suing Samsung but never releasing amazing products.
Just shut up and go away, please. We have enough morons who spew this dreck already.
>>Same front design
PLEASE just shut up and buy an Android device. You don’t seem to comprehend how design works.
>> this is my own opinion & don’t reply back bashing as i said my own opinion
Your opinion is borne of both ignorance and idiocy. Yes, these are separate concepts. Yes, they are BOTH your fault. Educate yourself before thinking you HAVE an opinion in the future.
I noticed something with your posts which i have flagged the mods & several other tech blogs about this. You always put down any user that you do not agree with. You call them names, you tell them to shut up & then go on & tell them they have no clue of anything. I do wonder at times is this what 9to5Mac staff want on their website? Really outstanding if they allow this type of people on here.
Second Who said i have a android device? Why always assume people have Androids? Is it because you have nothing better to say & you say that?
See, you don’t seem to comprehend what goes on here at all. Stick around a while longer and you’ll get it.
Troll accounts have no purpose here. Trolling users have no reason to be here. Explain why we should put up with it? Why would you want to see lies thrown in your face constantly?
Dimitri, it probably won’t help. The only thing one really can do is “don’t feed the troll”.
Wish more people would comprehend that. Also wish WordPress had a feature to allow the banning of such users, you know?
And yes, I couldn’t care less that you’re ignorantly referring to me. Learn what trolling is, boyo.
We agree that WordPress needs a function to filter out/ban particular users comments.
You know, instead of calling people names all day long, and telling them to shut up e.t.c., why don’t you just list the reasons of your viewpoints? You know, have something to back up your opinions?
You did it before with some of my viewpoints, it was nice, it helps.
It would make for much better dialog.
No-one listens to trolls that just insult and tell people to shut up. Would you?
remind me again, in terms of innovation, which Samsung product is groundbreaking? People complain about Apple can’t innovate anymore. Show me a tech company with a groundbreaking hardware product that shook the market like the iPod, iPhone, and iPad did? There is only on company that innovates and then the rest fall in line and claim to have made it much better. It is almost laughable.
That’s OK, Google. No need to “jump into the fray” on this one. Pretty sure Samsung can handle a $119M verdict against them. Really shouldn’t even waste time appealing that one.
Apple needs this money because mom’s iPhone is virtually dead. Next year’s market share will look like Android 80/ iOS 20.
That makes no sense, Apple already got your money if your mom bought it. Regardless, go ahead and grab the Android phones for your mom and yourself. My nexus phone and tablet died 3 times EACH, all RMA but I gave up on it. I will never get an Asus device again. Android is hugely improved in the last two years and I suspect it’ll exceed iOS this year with 5.0 or the one next year if the rumors are true that iOS 8 is just going to be an optimized release with 8.1 getting the useful features.
Android’s market share is already above 50% and will grab 90% in a few years in all areas. Apple doesn’t care about the market share, it never has.
It can have 5% of the market share and still grab 75% of the market profits.
Do you have a clue what a patent trial is?
Android market share is misleading – they are replacing feature phones and dumb phones with low end android sets where people never buy apps or use the web. They just make calls. That kind of market share uber alles nonsense doesn’t really mean much. Apple take most of the profit and is still the platform to develop for first.
“The first verdict read was for patent 5,946,647, Apple’s auto correct text entry system, “data detectors” that transform typed text such as addresses into actionable links.”
This is a completely lame decision by a non-technically-savvy jury. How the hell else is a smart phone manufacturer supposed to deal with address data and phone numbers? Sorry, Apple, despite the ineptitude of the USPTO in granting ‘647, you can’t patent obvious human factors actions any more than you can patent rounded corners. Oh yeah, Apple was able to patent that too.
Still, with the velocity Samsung is creaming Apple in the market, $119M is chump change (6 cents on the dollar of remedy demanded). Apple, Inc. has turned into patent trolls — the demise of a once-great and innovative company — sad.
LMAO! I love it! $119.6 millions instead of 2 billions originally asked for. How embarrassing for Apple! ….. iPhones suck and are so overrated!
Samsung should be banned from the USA among other IP thieves
http://chaaoticness.com/apple-tries-to-ban-samsung-from-us-phone-sales-but-us-will-not-let-it-happen
So just as suspected, Apple over reached badly in an attempt to “get” Samsung. It’s okay, their products will continue being great (partially from things they took from android) and Samsung ‘ products will still be great (partially from things they took from Apple).
I guess we have absolute no way to know what they wanted. Probably as much as possible. Maybe they succeeded?
According to real news sources, Samsung won.
Apple aired a great deal of dirty laundry and really took a hit on its reputation.
This wasn’t about money this was about Samsung being proven to infringe AGAIN.
… like larger screen size and better life from a replaceable battery?
Well, at least Apple is making the screen a teensy bit larger (but really, who can tell?)
Maybe someday Appe will duplicate features Samsung already has – true multitasking, live/true HDR, expandable storage …
Expandable storage and detachable batteries are GOD DAMN STUPID AND AWFUL. This is how you separate the intelligent people from the drooling morons. Simplicity and elegant, seamless design is infinitely superior to those IDIOTIC features. Keep your android you bumbling idiot.
Hey oOsmoothiesOo,
Detachable batteries isn’t such a bad thing really. Yes, it spoils the overall design, to have something “clip off” as such, but its way more practical. You can take extra batteries with you whilst e.g. traveling. If a battery is bad, you can change it yourself (after say 2 years of use) without having to send it in and pay money for a repair shop to do it for you.
The only appealing thing about Apple iPhones is that by integrating batteries, you don’t have to design the phone to be so “thick” as such.
So its not such an idiotic suggestion really.
The trick is:
How to get the same benefits of a detachable battery but with an integrated design?
o0smoothies0o proving himself to be a moron again. Expandable storage is stupid? How dumb can you get?
They’ve already duplicated the card based multitasking, the control center, safari cloud, notification bar, wireless syncing, tabbed browsers, opening apps through the lockscreen, notification center, ota updates, and voice control just to name a few.
To be fair, Andre, I replaced the battery on my iPhone 4s multiple times and I replaced the dock connector once. Granted, it was never meant to be done by yourself.
thejuanald, sure, one can with patience, care and a little technical know-how “do it yourself”, but an 80 year old grandmother of 27 grandchildren can’t figure out such a ‘feat’.
Replacing the battery is probably the easiest of fixes to do. (Unlike screen changes, where you have to dig all the way down)
But still never as easy as click-click-done as with a detachable battery.
I still prefer the design they have now though, I’m not complaining, but I would like a few more mm added to the overall thickness to get 48 hour ‘constant use’ battery life.
Oh dear god. André there are a ridiculous number of external batteries you can use to charge your device, as well as battery cases. A clip on battery is and always will be an absolutely ignorant and highly hideous feature. I cherish those drop tests where the android phone breaks into multiple cheap pieces and the battery flys out, so embarrassing. Thank god Apple has intelligent people that know what’s best. Oh and by the way I love your comment about wanting to get 48hrs of constant use, that’s literally priceless. It turns out that human beings go to sleep regularly, and when that happens I highly suggest you plug your device in to charge so that it is full when you wake up. Literally no one needs 48 hours of constant use. Literally no one needs 24hr of constant use.
Yes, expandable storage is incredibly stupid for multiple reasons, but namely, it takes away from seamless design, adds thickness, and takes away from simplicity. Again, thank god Apple has intelligent people that know what’s best.
Andre re changing iPhone batteries and “an 80 year old grandmother of 27 grandchildren can’t” my money’s on at least one of the 27 being a geek ;)
smoothies, you’re either a very, very lonely troll or a very, very stupid man.
When’s the last time you’ve had human company? You seem to lack it.
o0smoothies0o, You’re right that detachable batteries make for a more clunky design. As it is now, theres just 2x screws and off flips the cover, so its not such a huge difference.
Although like you, I also prefer the design as it is now.
As per the 48 hour constant use battery life, that would translate to about 1 week of regular use and standby time. As it is now, we get about what? 10 hours max. of constant use, which translates to about 4 days of standby & regular use?
Yes, Apple has some good people working for them, then again, isn’t it about 11000 people working for Apple? 11000 people to make a handful of products? Sounds like an awful lot of manpower to figure out that thinness in a smartphone isn’t that attractive in the end. Who needs a phone just 1mm thin?
About 10 years ago it was nice to get a phone that was thinner than the standard Nokia phones e.t.c., but in this day and age, who really cares? For goodness sake, you can’t even feel 1mm difference in your hand.
The problem with Apple these days, is the lack of innovation, unfortunately.
They have wonderful products, but they’re quite stale, like fruit in a bowl thats been there a week.
What are you talking about adds thickness? My Note 3 is 8.3mm thick. The 5S is 7.6mm. Those extra microns are nearly indistinguishable and I get to add 64GB(or more) of storage space unlike my 4S (which the Note 3 is a full mm thinner than). You’re an imbecile if you think that’s bas design. Or just another sheep who thinks that because apple didn’t do it yet it’s dumb.
Glad it’s over, now I just hope both companies get on with innovating rather than litigating.
Lol at the guy complaining about typos.. His responses are just as riddles with them. Oh the irony.
The article has mistakes. Not typos, mistakes. A typo is an incorrect spelling/transposed letters.
Using the wrong words isn’t a typo, it’s ignorance.
There were TONS of typos when the article was originally posted; they have since been corrected.
>>Glad it’s over,
Nowhere near.
>>innovating rather than litigating.
Just shut up already.
Here we are again telling people to Shut up. Do you get a happy sensation telling people over a screen to shut up?
You need help if you think telling people to shut up will make you look bigger over a screen. This is found as bullying something that 9to5mac allows on their site by having you post like this.
Please see my other reply for the answer to your nonsense.
Tallest Skil
Got your medicine already? Is by any chance Apple your girlfriend?
Friend, calm the f**k down.
Thank you.
So you have no rebuttal whatsoever, nor do you have any actual argument in the first place.
Thanks for confirming. Now get to the shutting up part of go away.
Dimitri you could host an entire web blog just posting rants and bs comments from Tallest Skil. He is far and away the most childish and irritating poster on this and the 9to5google forum. If there was ever a person to ban….
If someone makes a comment he does not agree with he MUST toss this 2 cents in. If the comment was a simple opinion, then that person is a troll; if the comment is backed up with facts, then it’s ‘spreading FUD’.
He called me a troll for saying I liked the split screen on a Samsung tablet, then said I was spreading FUD because I said I liked MicroSD cards. Then he said I was an idiot because I commented that I think the new iphone should slim the bezels down.
I take mental solace that he has never seen a boob in person and his sole life mission is to ruin phone forums.
Hey, reported for personal attacks. Enjoy.
I apologize for hurting your feelings. I am glad you told mommy, she wiped your tears and we cleared the air.
Reported once again. You’ll learn eventually.
Oh the irony in Tallest Skil reporting someone for personal attacks is just too much for me.
Samsung only innovates when there’s someone to copy from – look at the disaster that is the Galaxy Fit.
So apple was rewarded 119 Million and Samsung was rewarded 158 Million !!!! So Apple actually lost money from their patent suing endever or what ??? Somebody explain
Might want to reread it. It’s $158 thousand not million. I made the same mistake on first glad haha.
Although the verdict was mixed, Apple is the clear winner in that Apple’s patents are more valuable than Samsung.
Apparently, not by much. At the very least, not enough to do any financial damage to any competitor big enough to compete with Apple.
That’s not how USA Today, the nation’s newspaper, is calling it.
“First Take: In the end, Samsung and Google won”
They’ve established a pattern of Samsung violating others patents in several suits – FAR more valuable than money.
Not really. Apple won 120 million on three patents that are infringed by multiple devices. Samsung won on two patents that are infringed on by a limited number of devices (five models at the most). So you really can’t say that one companies patents had more value than the other. If the number of models/devices was the same throughout, then you could make that comparison.
Who knows… You could figure out the damage per device, and find out that Samsung got more money per device than Apple did. Would that make their patents “more valuable” then?
Have a great day.:)
Patrick.
The object of trying to reach a large judgement like 2 Billion is to make infringing someone else’s products a no win situation. 119.6 million is not a large amount compared to the amount of money Samsung profited by being
“competitive in a relatively short period of time by bypassing R&D. It this case it pays to infringe. That’s basically what this jury told Samsung….
Apple won on autocorrect? That’s hilarious.
At least Samsung made autocorrect work correctly. Can it patent effective?
Sad, no justice here. Slap on the wrist and Samsung gets away with copying everyones products and the stupid people that buy them make them even richer to do more copying and ripping off everyones ideas.
Boycott Samsung!
That will teach them. And maybe in a few years, Apple will copy the features now found in Samsung devices.
Larger screen sizes, multitasking, downloading, incredible battery life. true HDR …
Go find another website to spew your FUD on, please.
Larger screens isn’t innovation, Samsung just throws against the wall to see what sticks. iOS has multitasking and better battery life than Samsung devices, Samsung has batteries over twice the capacity to reach the same life. True HDR in what way?
Hi Mike,
Fellow news blogger here, and regarding the typos everyone’s complaining about, I for one don’t care. I appreciate you getting the news out to readers as quickly as possible, as I know how stressful it can be to make sure you get the story out first. I also appreciate your going back and correcting those typos and mistakes once the dust settles on all the news details. These might be the expectations of the job, but they’re signs of commitment, and from our perspective, it shows. Keep it up!
Hear, hear!
USA Today calls it a victory for Samsung, and I agree. Much of Apple’s dirty laundry was aired and that will hurt the company’s reputation, especially since Apple was found to have copied some of Samsung’s features.
I wonder why you agree?! Oh yeah your lips are planted all up on them ;). You have no idea what you’re talking about. Samsung copied, and lost. Congrats to Apple for showing the world that Samsung copies. Congrats to the jury for showing that it’s okay to cooy ideas and use them as your own because there is an obscenely small monetary repercussion for your copying behavior.
Popular opinion is that Samsung won. It’s not just my opinion. Read some real news sites.
Winning == establishing yourself as a repeated copyist, got it.
I used to be the biggest Apple fanboy around, but the dirty laundry aired in this case has had me playing with some Samsung products just to see what Apple’s so worried about.
I can see why they’re worried. Some features are WAY ahead of Apple, some lag behind. Given Samsung’s history of deciding to become the leader in technologies and succeeding, I’d be worried too.
In fact, I might even consider a Note 4 when it’s released….
Being a fanboy, i really don’t like this Patent war, these companies should work together and give best of the best to users, if apple patent gesture based unlocking then google took it to the next level of patterns based unlocking, this is something really cool, if one invent something others take it to higher level, we users will enjoy this, at this moment i think there is so much for Apple to copy from Android and if apple will implement that in iOS i hope they will raise the bar high.
Ah ok, so they both stole from each other. Shame on you Apple for doing that! Samsung, well, that is to be expected from these idiots.
Its not about the money, either side dosen’t need it, but about who’s right and wrong here and both are in the wrong.
How is this result “mixed” in any way?
Apple got 1/16 of what they asked ($119.6 mln out of $2 bln);
Samsung got 1/40 of what they were asking ($158.400 out $6.5 mln).
You do the math.
Plus, Samsung infringed on Apple’s own patents. Apple infringed a minor patent that Samsung bought in the last two year. Legally-wise, those patents have the same value. From every other standpoint imaginable that’s two completely different things.
So yeah, not mixed at all: Apple won. Again.
1. You’re a moron.
2. Kind of hard to lose when you win.
At the end of the day, you and I are the only losers. If Apple would have gotten their full $2 billion, then the cost of Android phones would have went up to the same price level as iPhones. Someone else put it almost perfectly above. Consumers don’t necessarily want to pay outrageous prices for a phone. Especially not a phone that they’re going to ditch in a couple of years anyhow. That’s why the Android phones are generally more popular.
Personally, I prefer the Android phones because I like the idea that I can choose what I want to put on it. I can root it, if I so choose. In fact, I can wipe it and put a different operating system on it, if one’s available. Can you do that on an iPhone? No, you can’t. Your options are limited to what Apple allows in their App Store, and they’ve tried fighting anyone who jailbreaks (roots) their phones left and right. So for me, less cost + freedom to alter or install > more cost + “security based on Apple’s options” – freedom to alter or install.
Have a great day.:)
Patrick.
Not everybody can afford to upgrade their phone when their contract is up every two years. I know many who got an iPhone 3GS or 4 that are still working to this day very well. My friends with 3-4 year old Android phones haven’t fared as well
Meant to reply to pat^^
Competitors can always design phones which does not copy iOS or iPhone. Just look at windows phones and blackberry. So according to you “if someone steals some private property and share it with you…you will enjoy the free money”
>>then the cost of Android phones would have went up to the same price level as iPhones.
In no possible way can that be said, nor is it true at all.
Please keep your nonsensical “innovate, don’t litigate” tripe away from genuine discussion. Please keep your nonsensical strawmen of “Apple fans want Apple to be the only company selling phones” away from genuine discussion. It’s bad enough we have the blatant trolls who spew FUD all the time. Do we really need to debunk the same long-winded arguments another thousand times?
Asked for 2200 millions (2.2 billion).
Received 169 million minus damages to Samsung.
Found infringing on one patent.
You call that victory?
Said the circle captain :)
It’s a mixed result because in some cases Samsung did infringe and in some cases they didn’t. It’s not about who got the most money. It’s about how many patents were violated. Those results were indeed mixed.
It’s not a “mixed result” when one party significantly prevails in most of its claims. This was a decidedly favorable decision to Apple. In legal disputes, parties put forward ancillary claims that they do not expect to win because the increased cost of litigating those issues is marginal relative to the costs of litigating the primary dispute. It is rare for a trial of this complexity to end with a single party prevailing on every aspect of its claims. To categorize this as a mixed is to reveal your ignorance of the legal system.
Hey mike you forgot to delete this one ^
He’s deleted two of mine. Some “journalist”!
I wish this would end the patent wars – but with regret it probably will not. Apple needs to spend more time on invention and innovation, and less time fighting Samsung, Google et al.
What a joke. Samsung deserves criminal charges.
$100 mil. Big deal the attorneys are probably making half that.
Apple was asking for 2 billion. They got shit.
The outcome of every one of these trials so far has been an insult to innovation. Just goes to show that even one of the most powerful companies in the world with some of the most unique ideas in the world, can’t protect them from theft, because the legal system is completely out of whack.
These trials should send a message to innovators everywhere that you might as well give up now because someone is going to steal your ideas and half the money you’re making in the future.
Hahahahaahaha no. Apple took from android, Samsung took from Apple. Do you want a short list of things apple copied from android? Here’s a little (non-exhaustive) list: the card based multitasking, the control center, safari cloud, notification bar, wireless syncing, tabbed browsers, opening apps through the lockscreen, notification center, ota updates, and voice control.
Does that make the iPhone less desirable to you? No? Me neither.
It helps if you’re right, unfortunately you’re not.
No he is right, he missed out heaps as well. And not in a single case did apple do a better job than what android has had all along. Slide to unlock seems to be the only “feature” that users see that apple has pinned on Samsung……which wasn’t their idea anyway. Do you really think slide to unlock makes or breaks a phone? Apple is an american company that is very good at exploiting the ridiculous american patent system. Shame the only place you can buy those gingerbread phones these days is on eBay, which they can’t stop.
Yes, I am. Would you like me to list references and dates? Or will you just not reply when I prove you wrong like I’ve done in other comment sections from other articles? Please, let me know so I can either list out the references or not even bother because you’ll just ignore it.
If you think criminal charges are warranted then you know less about the justice system than this “author.”
BS.
Let me enlighten you people. The average consumer WANTS Scamsung, Google or others, to infringe on Apple. Infringing makes envied products like Apple’s more accessible.Compare it to consumers who buy fake designer brands. It is the same, even if not the real thing, it’s close enough.
This verdict simply encourages that. There has to be products on the market, or rather, alternatives to keep the economy strong. If Apple was awarded the full $2, consumers would lose out. Most people cannot afford their products. The raging Droid users are oblivious to the fact that Scamsung and Google have in fact been copying Apple since iPhone. Nothing will stop them doing it again and again because and a slap simple on the wrist will be given again and again.
Google simply wanted to offer an alternative but Scamsung wanted to imitate and profit. Scamsung’s blatant infringing reflects badly on Google and the Android platform. Google’s Ara will offer the alternative they always wanted to give consumers, and they won’t have to be paired with the likes of Scamsung when it comes to situations like this.
Android could have been Windows, but it had to take cues from iOS. Bad move. Google need to make the OS more discernible if they intend to move forward. Google’s initial idea to build Android, was a respectable one, how they built it, was not. As for Crapcrosoft, it has been following in Apple’s shadow since Mac, through to to iPod, on way to iPhone and iOS, past iPad, and now Siri. It is a hopeless, wasted brand.
The only part of your comment that I don’t agree with per se is that Android could have been Windows, but they took cues from iOS. Neither statement is true. Android couldn’t have been Windows because Windows is a closed-source operating system (and Microsoft would not have given Google the permission to alter it to their needs). And Android didn’t take cues from iOS. They’re loosely based on the same codebase. Android is Linux, where iOS is BSD/Unix. At best, they’re distant cousins. More accurately, they share the same last name (so to speak). So, it wasn’t a case of Android took cues from iOS. It’s a case of Android used an open-source operating system that has similarities to the one that iOS uses.
I would ask you, why reinvent the wheel, when someone else did most of the heavy lifting for you (and is willing to let you use it)? By this, I’m asking, why should Google have created their own operating system from scratch, when there was an open-source operating system available to be used (and the developers of said operating system didn’t have a problem with it being used)? How’s that a bad move, and a non-respectable one?
Have a great day.:)
Patrick.
I think FAME meant take cues at the UI layer. While they are both UNIX OSs, they are very different, but Android initially took its aesthetic cues from WinMo and Bb and didn’t require a touch screen, all of which changed drastically after early 2007.
Damon Schmidt has it, perfectly. I should have elaborated, my apologies.
People dont envy people with apple products. So, poor point. Apple is for hipsters and old folk….both which will die soon. The cool kids use other devices :)
Hey hipster. I laugh at your cheap Haemorrhoid plastic phone.
Apple was found “liable” or “not liable” for infringement. “Guilt” is not the proper terminology for civil actions.
I’m sure your comment will soon be deleted. This author cant handle criticism.
Damn, there goes the dream of suing the competition out of existence and what’s worst, there are no new ideas on the innovations front. Same ole, same ole as it was in the 2007 year.
This is the best headline I have seen on this site to date! Wooooo! $2B for a green phone icon alike? Nice try.
You know, I love how everyone is crying out and getting their heart rate up over this ‘scandal’, as if it was their own inventions Samsung stole. In all of this, the hypocrisy is that Steve Jobs famous quote of stealing not only demonstrates that Apple openly STEALS but is ok with it. Which quote? This one: “Good artists copy, great artists steal” and don’t you all ever forget that. Because what you don’t know about what is going on inside of Apple is exactly why people should calm the hell down.
Finally I find it hilarious that Samsung is using the same exact idea of ““Good artists copy, great artists steal”, on their products. Samsung’s products and I mean ALL of them, beat Apple out of the park by light years. Apple has a few ok MacOS machines and some pretty good iOS machines, all of which are now limited to their Operating Systems. The iPhone is great, but my Gods it’s boring now. I’ve had Apple forever, I had iOS since iOS 1, but with iOS 7 and what I saw of iOS 8, I decided to try something new. You know what? It’s time to try something new. I’ve worked for Apple, I was told not to own any Samsung Products, this was in one of my contracts I had to get out with the help of HR, though it was ridiculously stupid how they fought to force me not to have any Samsung phones etc. Well, I did and still do have a Samsung TV, the best I’ve ever had, I’ve last week decided to put my iPhone 5S on the shelf and try the Samsung S5…. WHY DID I WAIT SO LONG!!!!!!! It’s so much fun to enjoy another platform! So no, I’m done with Apple’s cult mentality, though I must confess it was hard getting out of the cult.
For anyone who’s worried, afraid etc of how it must be to move from iPhone to an Android… DON’T the integration with your mac works perfectly, transferring your details from the iPhone to the Android phone is so easy. I think those who think about moving to a new platform because of the same reasons I did, simply because it’s dead boring, the limitations in iOS is laughable compared to what you can do on an Android. IF you get home sick… you can actually make your Android look like an iOS 6,7 and eventually 8 if you want.
I am happy with the purchase, I was worried for a bit, because going from one small frame of existence with the iPhone to this was not an easy decision, but when I finally did it, it was the best thing I ever did…
I am not changing my Mac just yet, but when the MacOS X will look like iOS7, then that’s the end for me, it’s enough with how bad Mavericks is, I can’t stand it. Mountain Lion was the best and final OS that was released that truly had what Apple was good at.
Why do you think most of the core leadership people have gone, the creator of iOS and so on… it’s just not the same anymore….
Thanks for your insights.
Not allowed to own another bran phone than iPhone when working for Apple is ridiculous in my viewpoint, but you can understand that they’re trying to encompass the dedication and emotions favourably towards Apple.
If you do decide to scrap our Mac, what alternatives would there be? I’ve been on PC’s for +25 years before switching to Macs, like you I was very apprehensive before switching, but now I really like Mac OS.
I wouldn’t go back to PC’s though, very cumbersome and Linux is so heavily fragmented and can’t really be the best at any one particular thing.
I agree that iOS7 is a total disaster compared to previous iterations on the iPhone. Now it takes so much longer to send a photo via email, swipe there, click that, swipe again, ugh!
But yes, iOS or iPhone is really boring, even though I like my phone, you can see they’re trying real hard to beat a dead horse. Unfortunately the innovations have stalled since the last 4 years. Its a shame, because iPhone has great potential but not so much anymore.
I still won’t change to Android, it still looks like its in its baby-stages, but I could be wrong.
Perhaps when Apple do something really cool with future iPhones, you’ll come back? :)
Nice job being open enough to look around at what is in the market these days. I feel like people are ignorant to the fact that the current Android is not the Android of 5 years ago. It is fast and smooth and the options on how to customize it are truly endless.
I think this can also be said for PC’s. Though I have never even tried a Windows 8 machine (nor had interest in it), Windows 7 is a MASSIVE improvement over XP and I feel much of the instability and virus issues that made people walk away from Windows has been fixed since the launch of 7.
I am a PC user because I run CAD (SolidWorks and Pro/Engineer), mathematics, and design software for my job that is completely incompatible on Mac so it not even an option for me to switch, but honestly, since I have been on Windows 7 (4-5 years) I have had no viruses or significant number of crashes, and I love the interface of it.
I like Android for a number or reasons, but most of all its things like supporting native USB devices. I keep a MicroUSB to USB adapter with me and it lets me send files from a thumb drive to clients and vendors when I am out of the office; Super handy. I also have 3D model viewers that let me load CAD models right on my phone which is amazing when in meetings. Most standard apps like Dropbox and AngryBirds are going to be available on both so who cares which platform you have.
I have had a Galaxy S3 for a while now and love it. My wife has an S4 an it is awesome, and just yesterday got my father in law an S5 and it makes my S3 look ancient. I am due for an upgrade soon and I will not even hesitate to get either the S5 or HTC One M12 for myself, both of which are fantastic.
In short, all these devices have come so far along that the tension between Android / iOS and PC / Mac is just stupid. If you showed the 2004 version of ourselves any of these phones from ten years later our heads would explode; and yet people openly mock one another splitting hairs between each device.
Finally! Let’s hope Apple stops now with this ridiculous lawsuits.
Samsung: It is our long history of innovation and commitment to consumer choice, that has driven us to become the leader in the mobile industry today.” Meaning we, Asian companies like to steal other people’s property to make money and then say you stole from us. And it takes multiple devices to be a leader compared to Apple’s few.
In contrast to: “We, as an American company, like to steal technology only from another American company. Oh, we almost forgot: rounded corners are forbid from now on!”
Damn Shamesung copycats! They should also pay for all the blatant rip-offs they do, like fake MacBook Air or most of their tablets that looks so much like iPad. And there’s surely more.