Apple Fellow Phil Schiller officially took the stand today in Apple’s legal battle against Epic Games. The Apple veteran focused heavily on the early days of the App Store, but also provided some interesting tidbits on what it costs to run WWDC, a new developer center coming to Apple Park, and more.

During his testimony, Schiller revealed that it costs Apple around $50 million each year to put on its Worldwide Developer Conference. This likely refers to the in-person version of WWDC rather than the digital version.

The folks at Protocol have a good explanation on why the cost of WWDC matters in the Epic case:

Epic has argued the high profitability of the App Store is one of the reasons why Apple continues to demand 30% of digital transactions and that Apple fails to justify that commission rate through its claims of providing security, privacy, App Store review, and other operating costs. Apple has argued it does not have calculate the profitability of the App Store as an individual unit and that any attempts to do so would be misleading as they do not take into account the amount of money Apple invests in the iOS ecosystem, such as research and development costs and the money it spends on events like WWDC.

In a similar vein, Schiller revealed during his testimony that Apple is building a dedicated developer facility at Apple Park. Here, developers will be able to work directly with Apple engineers on their applications and receive support and help. No further details were provided on this developer center, though.

Schiller also offered some interesting details on the App Store’s video partner program, which offers a lower commission rate for streaming services. This program allows qualifying apps like Prime Video to offer customers the option to buy or rent movies and TV shows using the payment method tied to their existing video subscription. This same program covers features like integration with the TV app, AirPlay 2, universal search and single sign-on integration.

The Apple Fellow explained in his testimony that this program, which is open to anyone, came about because partners asked to keep their own customer bases from existing services. Apple agreed to this, and launched the video partner program.

Finally, Schiller revealed that 90% of developers qualify for the App Store Small Business Program, which cuts the App Store commission to 15%. Interestingly, Schiller said that money laundering and fraud concerns were roadblocks in the launch of the App Store Small Business Program. In fact, he said that the Epic lawsuit is what helped him get approval from his colleagues at Apple to launch the program. “It’s not why we did it, but it certainly helped,” Schiller said during the testimony.

We’ll update this post with any additional comments from Schiller during his testimony.

FTC: We use income earning auto affiliate links. More.

Check out 9to5Mac on YouTube for more Apple news:

You’re reading 9to5Mac — experts who break news about Apple and its surrounding ecosystem, day after day. Be sure to check out our homepage for all the latest news, and follow 9to5Mac on Twitter, Facebook, and LinkedIn to stay in the loop. Don’t know where to start? Check out our exclusive stories, reviews, how-tos, and subscribe to our YouTube channel

About the Author

Chance Miller

Chance is an editor for the entire 9to5 network and covers the latest Apple news for 9to5Mac.

Tips, questions, typos to