T-Mobile to block iPhone Skype use in Germany

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Telcos.  You can't live with them and you can't use an iPhone without them. 

If you are a Tmobile iPhone customer and you are enjoying your Skype application, you might be in for some bad news.  Deutsche Telekom AG on Thursday said it may prevent its customers from using Skype on Apple Inc.'s iPhone.  Word is that Rogers in Canada might be trying to do the same.

Skype, a phone service that routes calls through the Internet and is owned by eBay Inc., made its debut on the iPhone on Tuesday. It allows most iPhone users connected to a wireless Internet network or third-generation cellular network to call other Skype users at no extra cost.

Skype's iPhone application puts it in competition with cellular operators such as Deutsche Telekom's T-Mobile and Telefónica SA's O2 in Europe..

The article cites a TMobile spokesperson as saying: "...even using Skype at a Wi-Fi hot spot is a breach of contract."

If there is any possible way for them to do this, you can be sure that AT&T will try to do the same as well.  Apple has made it clear that it wants to allow VoIP on its devices so long as they aren't using AT&T's network.  That seems to be more than fair.  I've done a lengthy post on why the telcos are screwed because of VoIP here if you re interested.

What happened to that European fair competition regulation that forced France to allow every carrier in the country to carry the iPhone?  Oui Oui!  We hope they step in and allow Tmobile customers to use Skype.

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T-Mobile in The Netherlands says it will allow Skype VOIP on the iPhone and has no intention to block it: http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=nl&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2F...

I think this is an excellent move by T-Mobile

Skype is a great programme but should only be used on home PC's, that is what it was designed for.

Mobile phone companies do make big profits but why should they support an app that is of no benefit to them?

http://www.gimmeitfree.co.uk

@pdmac-you've got to be kidding me! This is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. How do you know what skype was meant for? Skype and VOIP phones have been around for years! All you do is pay for data when you purchase a smartphone. When you pay for cell minutes, you are merely paying for data. When you pay for SMS, you are paying for data. The phone companies are robbing the people blind. They have every right to not allow it, but if that happens somebody else wil offer itl. They will lose customers or have to allow VOIP. That is the way the market works. You either work for t-mobile or have a serious want to be ruled by a dictator.

I disagree with Seth with AT&T. They do not have the balls to do that. VOIP apps have been on the iPhone since the app store opened. They can't say that skype is too good an app. There would be such an uproar and negative press that AT&T can't take the chance.

I understand what you are saying about the Smartphone and how it is simply a medium for data exchange but if you buy a phone then it has to be provided with a carrier package or on a PAYG package and most phones are now provided Free by the phone company.

If Skype want their package to be used on Smartphones then why dont they start providing the phones to people for Free.

And if they did, I am sure they would object to people using other phone carriers packages on them. After all, you could just buy a cheap phone or get one for Free and then use Skype and never pay T-Mobile again after they have provided you with your Free phone.

Of course, this is all just my opinion and I am trying to look at it from a very simple competitor standpoint.

You have been living in a place that carriers has been robbing you for YEARS and your perception has been skewed by that. Offering you a "free" phone blah blah blah is just a way the carriers use to hide how they have been overcharging you for the service.


Here is how that works in places like Hong Kong.


You walk into the carrier's store and tell them you want a phone plan. (I said "a phone plan", not "a phone", or "a phone and a plan", see that? Good.) Show them your photo ID and a proof-of-address, pay for the first month's service charge, and you're good to go. Within 15 minutes, you'll be walking away from the store happily with a SIM. Put that into ANY phone, and it'll be activated within an hour or so. The plans starts from US$6 or maybe even less nowadays. You get around 500 anytime minutes with that. Want more? 1200 anytime + 800 network minutes is just around $12. And btw, call display, voice mail, call waiting, conference calls, call forwarding (no such thing as "forwarding minutes"... if you forwarded you number to a land line, you pay nothing for those calls you received) etc are pretty much all standard (read: free) services that they sometimes won't even bother to advertise.


Need a phone too? No problem. Get one from any gadgets store, or a phone store. A phone store? What is that? Well... they sell... yep you're right, cell phones. You pay for the real cost of the phone, and you get a fully functional phone, and you can do whatever you want with it. Just plug in a SIM from ANY carrier and it'd work. Nice, eh? You can even keep using that when you're on a trip or if you're moving to another country. Just pick up a PAYG SIM from their local carriers. Why pay for roaming if you're just making local calls? Doesn't make any sense. And oh, btw, contrary to what YOUR carrier is telling you, the true cost of a fully unlocked phone is actually not that expensive. Not like you can't afford one if you carriers don't "subsidize" that.


But hey, I got my phone for FREE from my carrier. Who pay for phones these days? Well, we have that too. If you ask for it, you can get a phone from your carrier when you sign up for your plan. What would happen is you pay an up-front cost for the phone (usually a bit higher than the market price), and they will refund the "subsidized" portion to you account bits by bits over the next 18 months or so. (i.e. you ended up paying less for your plan) With that we get similar discount, if not steeper, as you do. You are free to terminate your service whenever you want, the only thing to lose is you don't get the full amount back, but you keep the phone so that's not really that big of a deal. Wait, what about your your contract? Con.. what? There is no contract. If you aren't happy with your carrier, just switch to one that'll make you happy. Early termination fee? Never heard of that. And oh, the best part? EVEN if you decided to get your phone from your carrier, it is still fully unlocked. The whole locking thing is just nonsense. That shouldn't be allowed in the first place.


When I moved to Canada I am consistently being surprised by how the carriers here are ripping people off. A plan starts at $20? Hmm, okay I can take that. But that's only for 100 minutes. You can get 200 minutes for just $25... What? 100 minutes? Um.... fine... I'll go for the $25 one. And you will need to pay for call display and voice mail too, that's going to cost you another $10. Grrr.. whatever. Cool, then I think we are set. Oh, one more thing, which phone would you like? Umm.. I already have one, won't need that. But they are FREE! Alright, I'll just pick that one, I won't mind having a backup phone. When I say free, I mean "free with a 2-year contract". What? Well ten no thanks, I don't want it. You HAVE TO get one. Don't want a contract? You can get this awesome phone for just $80.Nice. Paying $80 for a piece of crap that I won't even use. And it's locked too. ...


While I agree the price part has something to do with population density, I think this whole business model is just evil. Maybe you have been exposed to that for long enough that you don't see any problems with that, but really, your carriers are ripping-you-off. Why should they be allowed to limit what I can do with MY phone? No, they didn't pay for that, you did. You just didn't realize. You are not forced to get a computer with your Internet connection, so why I can't get a phone plan without a phone? And even if you got a computer cheaper from your ISP, they can't lock down you computer, right? Why should phones be different?

I think I mean "perspective"...

Telcos sell a service to customers. They don't make any money on skype so they don't care, and in a way they are right. We have to see what they agreed upon with apple. Maybe they agreed upon something like "we sell your phone but won't allow voip". It kills their business and mainly their investments. For sure one day voip will be the standard but today there must be a compromise.

'What happened to that European fair competition regulation that forced France to allow every carrier in the country to carry the iPhone? Oui Oui! We hope they step in and allow Tmobile customers to use Skype.'

Actually, that was French consumer protection and fair competition agency, using a French regulation. So they can't do much in Germany :-)

They have big nerves if they really claimed that even using it over Wi-Fi is off contract. It's a bit like telling telling you using your landline to make calls instead of your mobile is a breach of the contract!

Actually there has always been a passage in T-Mobile's iPhone contracts stating that VOIP and instant messaging are not covered by the contract. Until now, T-Mobile hasn't enforced this part of the deal, but it looks like they might start doing this now.
Telcos need to realize that they will become data traffic providers rather than call providers, but technically this move by T-Mobile is within the limits of their contracts (which might nevertheless offend some consumer protection laws).

might be to jailbreak your iPhone. Correct?

Well, at the moment with an iPhone 3G and a beta of iPhone OS 3.0 it is possible to use Skype on T-Mobile HotSpots. Actually you can even use it for phone calls on the T-Mobile EDGE and 3G network as you can see here: http://www.schimanke.com/index.php?/archives/740-Skype-iPhone-OS-3.0-im-...

Anyway, I don't think that it will work on their network with a final version of iPhone OS 3.0 but I don't think that they are going to block it on the WiFi Hotspots.

It's funny how they over charge people for crappy data plans and then they also wanna control how you use it too.

It's funny how they over charge people for crappy data plans and then they also wanna control how you use it too.

This is wrong what is put in the article:

"It allows most iPhone users connected to a wireless Internet network or third-generation cellular network to call other Skype users at no extra cost."

Skype can only be used on iPhone when it's connected over a Wi-Fi network and NOT on 3G Cellular network.

T-Mobile ARE bastards for doing this.

Hey, if I buy a phone I'm going to put whatever content I want on it! it's MINE!

The cold, hard truth of the matter is that all these mobile providers are employing exponential GREED, just like the land-line phone companies used to.

Remember all the annoying AT&T vs. Sprint vs. Bell long-distance commericals you used to see on tv? replace that with Verizon, T-Mobile, and whoah! AT&T.

AT&T were smart. They knew how to extend their greed into the 21st century.

DOWN WITH T-MOBILE for this B.S. ACT!! Skype Users, REVOLT!

T-Mobile ARE bastards for doing this.

Hey, if I buy a phone I'm going to put whatever content I want on it! it's MINE!

The cold, hard truth of the matter is that all these mobile providers are employing exponential GREED, just like the land-line phone companies used to.

Remember all the annoying AT&T vs. Sprint vs. Bell long-distance commericals you used to see on tv? replace that with Verizon, T-Mobile, and whoah! AT&T.

AT&T were smart. They knew how to extend their greed into the 21st century.

DOWN WITH T-MOBILE for this B.S. ACT!! Skype Users, REVOLT!

Rogers ain't blocking anything because there's nothing to block. Apple won't distribute Skype through the Canadian iTunes store.

it's just T-mobile, enough said ?

Will they ban it on the iPod touch too? No? They can't. So, if I take the Sim out of my iPhone and I'm in a wireless hotspot then what's the difference?

the way I see it...

I might just jailbreak my iphone...

change to another provider with much better and cheaper contracts...

and use every app I like (and even more than apple approves of)

so banning skype (or any other app) is a stupid tmobile move...they invite me to leave their little company world...ok...i am just one customer... but where there is one...there might be more....

I'm just confused about how they plan to block the app. Does anyone know how it would be possible to block Skype from the carrier end?

iPod Wifi based Skype Communication via VoIP is different at least in one way: There is no carrier subsidy factored in when you buy the device.

Thats the same difference as between a vanilla phone and a carrier sponsored phone.

And any smartphones can only be offered cheap if an upfront subsidy of a few hundered dollars is paid that can only be recapped if there a certain lenght of a contract is given.

The calculation only works out if certain amount of service use is occurring with the device.

Skype from a mobile carrier perspective has two main drawbacks:
- it at least partly shifts usage minutes from of well scaling communication plan into the field of hard to distinguish data streams
- its codec was incepted as a high quality non-wireless codec, thus from a mobile perspective is eating up 7-8 the amount of bandwidth in the over the air connection during a voice minute that is otherwise used by a 2G/3G connection.

Skype doesn't care about wasting network performance, they only care to avoid the license cost (yes - you need to pay to deliver a codec with high spektral efficienty to your customers).

In reailway servicess, yet another infrastructure investment intense business - nonoone would expect a ride for free - there is pay for value of use model, and its considered normal to at least pay your own fare. Endorsing Skype usage on a 3G network is as if you endorse anyone can block a full cabin for eight in a communter train fro himself - and that while not paying anything.

If you build and own a house, you usually assume you'll define the renting conditions - that why you have to have a contract to sign before you move in.

I have no idea who beleives that pay should NOT be scaled by the amount of work you put in (and value you create) - i do.

I do accept that some model is needed where there are limits to what you can expect to be sponsored usage and where "fair use" ends.

If Skype was at least efficient, it would maybe more acceptable, but this way I can understand why mobile carriers want to keep it clobbering their radio networks and backhaul...

my device is an iPhone, iPod, wifi internet device.
If I press the phone button, I want to use it as a phone. If I want to play a game, or use Skype, then I have a right to do that and am not impinging at all on the cell provider as I am not at that time using a phone.... Full Stop!!!

my device is an iPhone, iPod, wifi internet device.
If I press the phone button, I want to use it as a phone. If I want to play a game, or use Skype, then I have a right to do that and am not impinging at all on the cell provider as I am not at that time using a phone.... Full Stop!!!